Max Bolhuis and Rein van Duivenboden were the last two white heterosexual men without a podcast. Unfortunately, they were unable to come up with a format themselves, so they decided to do extensive market research. For weeks, they stole one every Wednesday and tested dozens of segments. The result: their own perfect podcast. A touch of Geuze & Gorgels or perhaps a bit of BROERS; every episode is a surprise.

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